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Has pro-lifers' rhetoric gone over the top?

Thursday, April 30, 2009
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I am continuously amazed by the hatefulness of the rhetoric that continues to issue forth from certain parties in the Notre Dame debate. This from Randall Terry, the founder of Operation Rescue, in a letter to Bishop John D'Arcy of Fort Wayne-South Bend:

“You have the premier political proponent of child killing in the Western hemisphere in Barack Obama speaking at the premier Catholic institution of the Western hemisphere.” A proponent of "child killing," eh? And the "premier" one.

"If they think we're going to lay down and be quiet while they allow the rape of Catholic orthodoxy, they are sadly mistaken.” Rape? Let me repeat: Rape?

As I said of some of Mary Ann Glendon's remarks in a previous post, I think this kind of language is not only counter-productive in the effort to reduce abortion (becuase it makes all pro-life people seem not only uncompromising but rabid as well), it also reflects badly on the Christians who use it. The hallmark of our lives is to be charity: "Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est," as the refrain goes. Yet I fail to see the love here, even the kind you would offer another as brotherly or sisterly correction.

Any more than I see it in this comment directed at me, pasted at the end of my June column on ND: "I wanted to suggest that you insert a needle into your skull and suck your OWN brain out. On reflection, that seems to have been done previously."

I ask you: Is that any way for a Christian to behave?

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Unfortunately, Bryan's ideas never really got discussed here. This blog has fallen prey to a few long winded bloggers who who pick out little phrases in each other's postings and go on and on and on.....back and forth....no wonder the conversation can never really happen. Apparently, if you are at all willing to discuss strategies that promote reduction in abortion, you are a sinner. It is all or nothing for these folks. That is why so few moderate and sensible Catholics actually belong to so called pro life organizations. Do you think abortions will end, completely and once and for all because that is what you believe should happen. Sad. I am signing out....

How is this for moderation?

Greetings,

No. But outlawing it will reduce the most abortions and it is it what GOD and his Church thinks should happen. You know— the Logos— the Sensible One.

And nobody can tell another person that he is sinning save for informing him that he is transgressing some specific serious matter. The other two requirements that must be met for a person to sin are for him to have knowledge of the serious matter and for him to deliberately consent to do it anyway. You are welcome to the information.

We often fall short of the law of God but God does not change his law to reflect our weakness because he cannot change himself, as he is immutable.

Don't shot the Messenger.

Intrinsically evil matters do not yield to a moderate personal position regarding them because by their very nature they are always evil. Consequently, any moderation would be some cooperation with evil unless you are also simultaneously equally advocating for that which would reduce the most evil from occurring in the first place.

That is unless you actually believe that a society that will no longer allow women to abort 3000 babies a day will allow them to go unchecked to anywhere near that number covertly.

How is that for moderation?

Timothy+

The Examined Life 4/30/09

I cannot see what good it does for the cause of reducing abortions to argue over whether the (new) President of the United States can speak at the Notre Dame commencement. I am totally embarrassed at my fellow Catholics who feel the need to protest the appearance of President Obama. I'm sure many of them would question my right to call myself a Catholic as did some of the commenters. Our local archdiocesan paper had several articles critical of Obama's appearance in the last issue. How can we remain civil with those that agree with us on many things but not completely on others? How can we change minds and hearts by discussion and examples in light of the constant drumbeat of condemnation? I don't know, but that is the course I am committed to. God bless us all.

I love you. Do you believe me?

Greetings,

We can’t come to eye to eye as Catholics because you think it is morally acceptable only to seek for a reduction of abortions, like them—and the only reason the secular left are even discussing reducing abortions in the first place is because of the unwavering position of the right— and the Church seeks to end the laws that say it is okay for society to kill even one life, as well.

This is the situation we are in.

You will always be a Catholic, however. The only way you could not be is if you were to officially apostatize.

Moreover, I certainly don’t condemn you nor could I. Only you could do that. Only you. That is how much I love you. I wonder, do you understand?

In any case, when are people going to start reaching out to the people on the right— to try to understand their motives without calling them rabid dogs?

Catholics can’t change hearts and minds—regarding the most serious issues— if Catholics give law degrees to those who do not interpret the law the way that Catholics do. If Catholics do, Catholics are effectively agreeing with the one being honored with the law degree. Catholics are never to be relative unto objective truth. We are to die for it—just like all those years ago. We are to always witness to it and never deny it in anyway—let alone condone it’s opposite by honoring a man who may be for reducing abortions but does not understand that a society has no right to authorize the taking of a life to begin with. Obama continues to foster the ideology that makes the laws possible. This is the scandal that those on the right are feeling so deeply. I wonder do you care? Do you feel what I feel?

Timothy+

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To all who protest Obama at ND...

 

Let me start by saying, the widespread acceptance in our society of abortion is a horrible and heartbreaking reality.  We must always remember this.

But on the other hand, this constant anti-Obama chant is overwhelmingly irritating and annoying, to say the least. 

I wonder if George W Bush were speaking at Notre Dame, if we would hear from these same protesters.  The evidence overwhelmingly indicates that Bush illegally invaded and occupied Iraq, and that this invasion and occupation was based on lies.  (For more info, just start by reading about the Downing Street Memos and the Niger Yellowcake forgery.)  As a result of this illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq by Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died, and many more have suffered tremendously, all because of an economic agenda on the part of the US government and the corporate elite.

Note, I am not here equating capital punishment with abortion.  I am talking about **innocent** life in Iraq as well as innocent life in the womb.

It is obvious that many of those opposed to President Obama speaking at Notre Dame would never voice such opposition if George W Bush or Donald Rumsfeld were they to speak there.  On the contrary, many of these same people would probably proudly sport "Bush/Cheney" bumper stickers. 

So, this is really not about a consistent ethic of life for most of these protesters; it's about them rallying behind a political agenda.   I would be less apt to criticize such protests were a true and consistent ethic of life demonstrated.

 

Okay

Greetings David,

You appear to have a provocative argument.

>First, this issue for Catholics as it corresponds to politics and its respective political parties considers the ideology of social conservatism, the gross dishonor of it, and what that fundamentally means and reveals for and about all other possible issues in the U.S. It reveals everything. No issues are more important morally for the survival of the U.S. than those that can be assigned to the social conservative construct. For the individual, no issues are more manifestly important to the resulting state of ones soul than the adherence to or divergence from these issues. It must also be said that there is no middle ground for a person as it regards these issues.

>Second, consequently this N.D. issue has nothing to do with the man Bush or the person Obama other than how they adhere to the principles from which no deviation could ever be justified morally. It is that clear.

>Thirdly, as a result your argument is no more than conveying the moral fault of war to being equal with the moral fault of abortion regardless of how the aggregate constituents of the man Bush or the person Obama feel about the issue of abortion or the issue of war.

>In conclusion, abortion is intrinsically evil and war is not. To me it is simple. The remedy for the mystery of war far more boggles the human mind than the problem of taking care of a woman to term, beyond, and simultaneously never allowing her to abort as a matter of justice and law. We can do that. I mean is it more just for President Obama to push Pakistan to fight so that they will die and the world we be more safe or is it more just to kill out of pure personal choice and then claim that your circumstances gave you no choice? Circumstances do not mitigate personal moral culpability with abortion because procuring an abortion is always evil. War is not.

>Finally, if it comes to pass that President Bush fabricated a war then no person will be able to support the resulting tangential death of a particular innocent human being because that person would then be just as materially complicit with evil as the person who voted for President Obama is materially complicit with cooperating with the evil of abortion—all abortion. However, in the last case the person who voted (or shot a bullet or let a bullet be shot in his mane) for Obama, and who knew that abortion is always objectively grave matter, and voted for him anyway—well, you have an obligation to Chirst,not to me, to figure out the rest. I mean it. I hpoe that you do: http://www.usccb.org/prolife/programs/rlp/lori.pdf.

God bless,

Timothy+

I agree with Bryan about the

I agree with Bryan about the need to sound Christian to make a Christian argument. If we are against abortion as followers of Christ, we need to act like Christ when we make our arguments. It is completely possible to make a firm, loving stand against this issue, as Christ would have done. Show some compassion and understanding amid the disagreement.

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Let me summarize

All I am saying is:

1. Christian people are saying things about other people that fail the smell test when it comes to basic Christian charity.

2. When Christian people talk that way, they undermine their credibility as Christians and do damage the cause of unborn human life by alienating people who might otherwise be allies in reducing abortions but who don't want to be associated with what seems to them like fanaticism.

And for USC's coverage of abortion: We have devoted pages and pages and pages to the many dimensions of the abortion issue, including most recently this excellent article, "A little less confrontation, a little more action": http://www.uscatholic.org/culture/ethic-life/2008/06/a-little-less-confr...

Bryan Cones

I'm with you, Bryan

I think your magazine takes a very Christian approach to the abortion debate, and your comments always seem to be spot-on -- on this issue and others.

Personally, I don't agree with abortion and I would love to see it end. But I don't identify myself as "pro-life" because I don't want to be associated with the radical and rabid individuals in that movement. Their intolerance, refusal to dialog, refusal to even attempt to understand what might motivate a woman to seek an abortion, refusal to do anything to help address those women's needs (or the child's needs, once it has been born), and their over-the-top hatred and spite for anyone who doesn't whole-heartedly agree with them has completely disgusted me and driven me away.

Keep up the good work and, please, don't take it personally when people say hateful things. I'm sure they are just having an emotional reaction and (I hope) are not that violent and spiteful most of the time.

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