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How’s your Sister?

When the two-part investigation into U.S. women religious was announced in early 2009, reaction varied from "How dare they" to "It's about time." Many Catholics, however, were simply shocked and confused. What do you think about the investigations and the lives of women religious today? Tell us in this Reader Survey. We will publish the result in the January 2010 issue of U.S. Catholic.

Are you a woman religious? Please take our survey "Go ask Sister." We want to find out what your lives are like-straight from you. (It is similar to this survey, with a few additional specific questions.)

Know women religious? Please circulate our survey of them, "Go ask Sister," so that we can get a wide-ranging response. Thank you!

Survey deadline: Nov. 1, 2009

We are long overdue for

We are long overdue for recognition and appreciation as the leaders of the church we have always been.

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"He must increase, but I must decrease" (John 3:30)

Information Please!!!

Many of the previous comments reveal a serious lack of knowledge of the history of religious orders for women and how they evolved from orders of monks even before the time of Christ, the monastic orders such as Benedictines, orders formed by saints like St. Vincent de Paul to work among the poor and who dressed like the peasants of the day,and the changes called for by Pius XII and Vatican II. All this led to most of the changes we see today. For an excellent essay covering this history and the theology, especially biblical, upon which it is based, may I refer you to the following URL.
http://ncronline.org/news/discerning-ministerial-religious-life-today
It will help to make intelligent assessments rather than uninformed judgments.

Thanks

Thanks

Investigations are constructive

An investigation is not a punishment; it is meant to assist. It is impossible to deny that women religious are in a crisis. The numbers of nuns are dropping steadily in the United States. Why, then, it is so surprising that the Vatican is sending them assistance? I work at a Catholic school, that is currently going through its reaccreditation process. In the course of this process, the directors of the school have done an "investigation" of their own: sending out surveys, getting feedback, and enlisting outside assistance to help strengthen the areas that the school could improve. No one saw this as unfair; it is just and healthy for the hierarchy of an institution to examine different branches occasionally. Furthermore, it can be very helpful to strengthen and improve areas of weakness.
The fact that a normal procedure has raised such outcry amongst nuns is suspicious. Why are they not eager to have help in remedying a problem--dwindling nuns and sisters--that is affecting the entire Church? Is this not the essence of pride and injustice?
As for claims that this investigation is sexist, I would like to remind everyone that the Vatican undertook a formal investigation of all seminaries in the United States a few years ago. The men were checked out first. Why are sisters pretending that they are being singled out? The Vatican even put a sister in charge of this investigation. These are not the actions of an anti-woman organization.

Accrediting a school is

Accrediting a school is certainly not the same as an investigation into one's life.
Divorces are at an all time high. Why not investigate a Catholic marriage?
Seminaries were investigated only because the bishops screwed up on the sex abuse crisis. Why not investigate the bishops and ask why they still do not apologize or take responsibility for what they did. The number of priests is also dwindling: why no investigation? Or are the last 2 issues just the usual "boys will be boys?".

nuns investigation

This is a bogus investigation of the ONLY area within the church that is responsive to social needs.
The heirarchy is still ignoring the absolute hypocrisy of the institution.
Approximately 1/2 of the priests are homosexual.
And 1/2 of them are sexually active AND half of the heteroralsexual priests are also sexually active. This is from the church's own records.
There still is no real transparency to the abuse crisis and diocese after diocese is dragged through court and billions are spent of the laity money since ALL money is from the laity.
Watch what happens in the Bridgeport diocese as 14000 pages of previously secret personnel files are made public and we find out what "they" knew and what they did.

Unfair Judgement

All of these comments make me very angry. Who are you people to be passing judgement on women who have chosen a lifestyle and have ministered all their lives for the good of others? Would you like someone deciding that since you are married you should wear only one style of dress? Or because you are single you need to cover your face with a veil? If you have never lived the life of a nun, then you are not qualified to pass judgement on their work, their lifestyle, their dress. Look to your own houses, your own life!

Suspicion

I think most suspicion comes out of fear and fear comes from past experience. In the past, women have experienced repression and subjugation so much when attention is focused on us, that we fear that as a common result.

I think it's good to be alert, but also cooperative, and to live in hope that this "inventory" may lead to positive change -- at the very least open more dialog that can be built upon. I'm not naieve enough to think it's the answer to the frustrations of our search for equality, but any step forward is at least not a step backward.

Until we know differently, I'd like to assign at least ambivilent motives, but at the most positive, prayerful and forward-thinking theological motives to this effort.

"I'm not naive enough to

"I'm not naive enough to think it's the answer to the frustrations of our search for equality"

What sort of equality are you searching for?

Sister ain't the problem

I wish the Vatican had put this much assessment effort into the Church sex abuse scandal

Integrity

As a vowed religious for 48 years, I am saddened by the comment of Anonymous that "sisters who don't want to belong to the Church or to be faithful to their vows" should leave. Whoa! Who said anything about today's sisters not wanting to belong to the church? Or not being faithful to our vows? Is this the kind of warped thinking the Vatican's apostolic visitation is causing? Dear God, deliver us.

Response

Dear Sister Josephe Marie,

Please allow me to respectfully and briefly respond to your comment. I certainly hope that your response shows how very orthodox and faithful your own community is to the Church. I don't think anyone would say that as a general rule all women religious "don't want to belong to the Church or to be faithful to their vows." Certainly not. However, there is no doubt that many women religious simply do not profess the Catholic Faith in its fullness and are not willing to accept the authority of the Church and its hierarchy. Those sisters have misunderstood the purpose of religious life and bought into the whole modern philosophy of private judgment, conscience, and autonomy, even taking those into the religious life. They forsake obedience for novelty, such as sisters who advocate for women in the priesthood, contraception, etc. I don't mean any disrespect. I just think that you may not have met some of these women, who are far more concerned with being a social worker or social activist than Magdalene at the foot of her Savior.

Mary Magdalen

Oh, come on, please! Now we are back to the subsurvient days of old... Look at the great work that social workers do and the activists may one day convince our government that supporting the training of military dictators and followers of other countries (at Ft. Benning) is not an action the US should be involved in.

That may well be a worthy

That may well be a worthy secular goal. But it seems to me that worthy secular activists should be more actively pursuing that goal than Catholic religious. After all, dictatorship as a form of government is not, in and of itself, against the Catholic faith.

Still, if the some religious choose to spend their time in that manner, is it necessary therefore to abandon authentic Catholic spirituality and doctrine?

Worthy Endeavors

Dear GA Catholic -- As a point of clarity, dictatorship is of itself against the Catholic teachings of the 1)sacredness of human life and dignity, 2)subsidiarity which means self-governance at the most local levels, and 3)solidarity which means standing with the most vulnerable among us (see Matthew 25). Those religious men and women who advocate for social justice do so in imitation of Jesus and in response to the many teachings of the Church which may not be as well propagated or embraced as they should be. When these teachings address systemic injustices they are sometimes labeled inauthentic yet they are often the most foundational doctrines of our Church. I believe that most people become strong activitists when they personally encounter the human toll of injustice.

Help religious orders renew their zeal and dedication

Comments to "leave nuns alone" assume that the Apostolic Visitation is trying to attack nuns, when the opposite is true. Religious orders which drift from their founding charisms are suffering, and the Church would like to relieve that suffering recalling ailing orders to their true calling (when necessary) and to identify and promote the common traits of those orders that are flourishing. Remember that it is a spiritual work of charity to rebuke and encourage -- not to "leave them alone" who are drifting away from virtue. In fact, this is something that is something that, historically, religious orders have understood well, as illustrated, e.g., in the Chapter of Faults.

"Remember that it is a

"Remember that it is a spiritual work of charity to rebuke and encourage", Unless,of course, that rebuke is directed to hierarchy by laity, in which case it is the work of the devil; heretical, schismatic, disobedient, disrespectful.

Traditional nuns are desperately needed in our country

I do not know any nuns. My young children have never seen a nun in traditional habit. This is such a sad state. Why are we being deprived of seeing the joy, pure joy of seeing a nun in love with her spouse, Jesus.

Comment on religious habits.

To the person who bemoans the fact that her children have never seen a num in habit --go to a Motherhouse in your area and take your children to visit the sisters in the imfirmary etc. Join the sisters for Liturgy of the Hours. Volunteer to help in their minitry. Say thank you to the elderly sisters for their service. Also -- are you still dressing like your grandmother did in 1950--the habits were hot and in many cases unhealthy and hard to keep clean and sanitary. Talk to some of the sisters who literally have skulls that have ridges in the back from the tightness of the headpieces--next read what Jesus had to say about the Pharisees who like to lay burdens on others that they themselves ouldn't live. Most women religious in this country are holy women! Including ones who don't wear habits.

religious habits

Your comment Eileen is fantastic in my opinion.
I think in our world today wearing something and or some type of clothing that identifies you as a representative and member of a group who dedicates their lives in Service to others because of your belief in the dignity of humankind as members of the Creators family and who's lifesource is within each one of us no matter rank is admirable and courageous. Wearing clothing that is unhealthy, uncomfortable, unreasonable is stupid. However, an outward sign is a sacramental that can bring others toward you and your effort to bring Christ to them.

"read what Jesus had to say

"read what Jesus had to say about the Pharisees who like to lay burdens on others that they themselves wouldn't live"

Whether religious wear habits or not has absolutely nothing to do with Pharisaical hypocrisy, because no one is forced to become a religious. If a person does not want to wear a habit, then not becoming a religious frees them of that burden. Additionally, the charge that religious habits are excessively uncomfortable or unhealthy was fully answered by the post-Vatican II modified habit. These, while not ideal, at least still identify the wearer as a Catholic religious.

"Most women religious in this country are holy women! Including ones who don't wear habits."

That is a nicely unfounded assertion, although we can all hope it is actually true. But it should be repeated that it is not possible to be both holy and disobedient to the Church at the same time.

Nuns garb

I would suggest that you look around your local community and find a group of nuns and become acquainted with them. Do some volunteer work with them, get involved with their ministries. You will soon see the nun who is in love with her spouse because that love will be reflected in her care and concern for all those around her. She doesn't need to wear a habit for you to see that. Also, remember the old days when the children were really afraid ofthe nuns in habits. We don't want that any more either.

Nun's Garb

I agree with you wholeheartedly that people need to look around in their community and become aquainted with women religious. It can be difficult if there are no identifying markers, such as a habit, but it can be done. This is also difficult when the women religious prefer not to be called by "Sister" but rather request to be called by their first name. I have personal experience with this. It is not until you get to know the individual a little better that you find out that they are actually a nun. The love for the ministry is very much apparent however you know them.
Regarding your comment on the old days. I was taught by nuns through my elementary and high school years. I disagree that we were afraid of them because of the habits they wore. Instead I would say I felt separated from them, and considered the nuns closer to God. However, as I grew older I realized that nuns are people too. They have great qualities as well as faults. I would also comment that the fear came from the person themself, not the garment.

Wearing a habit says "I am a

Wearing a habit says "I am a Catholic religious" - which is a powerful statement to make in a society that increasingly demands that we hide our religion from public view. For that reason alone, if no other, all religious should be required to wear a recognizably Catholic habit.

As for your unsupportable assertion that in "the old days ... children were really afraid of the nuns in habits." It is ridiculous and false. The only reason any child would be afraid of a properly clothed religious is if it's parents had taught it to be so - which is the parents' problem, not that of the religious.

My young children are fascinated by traditionally clothed Catholic sisters. When they see them on EWTN, or in a newsletter that comes to our house, they beg to be able to go and meet them in person.

The "traditional" dress of

The "traditional" dress of many orders was the dress of the day for their mission so that they could do their work without attracting attention (e.g., the Sisters of St. Joseph -CSJ's were founded to do social work, best done by being inconspicuous) -- a comparatively few nuns are as effective in their mission wearing distinctive garb. Most nuns I know can be identified by their Christian words and deeds.

Part of the Church?

If nuns no longer want to be members of the Catholic Church or be faithful to their professed vows, they should have enough integrity to leave.

The illusion that religious life is no longer attractive to young people is however, a lie perpetrated by only those for whom the statement is true.

Leave nuns alone

I think that nuns do more of God's work than any other religious group for not much appreciation from the church in general.

I am not Roman Catholic, but

I am not Roman Catholic, but have sought guidance in spiritual direction from sisters in the faith over my lifetime. I have always found them to be kind, caring, intelligent, and spiritually in touch with God. My personal relationship with God has been deepened and enhanced by their direction. Recently, the life work of two sisters in our area have been dealt serious blows by their bishops and this has been devastating to watch and read about in the newspapers. Where are the thinking people among you? Where is the compassion of Christ in this investigation? Seldom have I witnessed such inconsiderate and unbiblical actions on the part of the leadership within the Church.

leave the nunns alone, thank

leave the nunns alone, thank tem instead!

leave nuns alone

YES,YES,YES

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