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Submitted by Limpet on Tradition! (not verified) on

Lets look at this same situation in the context of 'sex education' - I know I know how can there be a comparison - bear with me
they claimed they needed to bring in sex education as children 'didnt know what to do and that it would 'solve the problem of teen pregnancy- by reducing the amount of teen pregnancy occuring'
well what was the result- increased teen aged pregnancy! hmmm
they brought in the novus ordo mass in order to make the mass 'relavant to the people' and now its 'so relavant to some its completely 'irrelavant (and of course -irrevrant but we wont go there!) to everyone else! but maybe modernists just want to try and get a REALLY MODERN MASS with ROCK PRIESTS and NUNS to really show us
how
'NOT to practice the faith' oh wait a minute..
hmmm they already do that...
I guess there is only one real alternative
Tradition
tried
tested
WORKS!- the works are ALL our Legions of saints! I dont konw any Saints who went 'exclusively' to the 'new mass'I know plenty of the E.F!

innovation
tried
tested
failed!
I know PLENTY of 'non-practicing catholics of the novus ordo!

I wonder if the new mass was abrogated 'in practice' 'exactly as the EF has been what the result would be??
I mean would the pseudo clergy go on 'mass protests' banging fists on the floor and making noise- would there be a schism in the church as a result?
what would occour? would the 'gay priest and nun assosications declare themselves 'free of the tyranny of Rome'?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on

I attend a very commonweal parish in Berkeley, Ca but I appreciate the TLM when I attend one. I don't see how its divise.

Submitted by Raskolnikov (not verified) on

I'm O.K. with the Novus Ordo Mass, but let's be real: It doesn't honestly require much participation at all. Sure we have lay people going back and forth all over the sanctuary displaying their oh-so-empowered importance, but for the rest of us in the pews, it's sometimes like watching a circus that tries to top itself every week to stay more relevant.

Now the TLM is another story. I HAVE to participate or I am lost. I am not proficient in Latin, but I don't need to be. The priest usually speaks so softly that I probably couldn't hear him anyway, but it doesn't matter: I am following closely in my missal. I am connecting with the ancient, timeless place where God reigns eternal. Instead of watching priests and laity pander to the worId, I am stepping outside of it. I am not "doing" so much as receiving. The quiet affords me an opportunity I seldom get at the Novus Ordo: I can actually pray.

The pope said that what was Holy once cannot suddenly not be holy. We would be well-advised to heed his words...that is, unless you are more Catholic than the pope.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on

great comment!

"full, active, conscious participation" was first used to describe the responsibility of the lay faithful for the TLM!

Submitted by pat v (not verified) on

My husband & I have always loved the TLM. My youngest son is a priest & on the day he was ordained, I asked only one thing of him... that when his dad &/or I died, he would offer the TLM. Why are people so afraid of it? Why do so many bishops ignore Rome and not make it available to those that love it in spite of JP II's nd Benedict XVI instructions to let us have it back? Liturgical diversity is celebrated as nauseum with clowns, puppets, drag queens, dancing girls, etc., etc.
But relity is that the TLM is logistically denied to us in many/most dioceses.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on

While I appreciate a reverent, post- Vat II Mass, my experience growing up in the church these last 30 years has been more often like attending a circus, or liturgical schizophrenia.

I'm embarrassed, week-to-week, when attending with my children. What I teach them IN WORD about the Mass, liturgy, and the Eucharist is reflected more accurately in the TLM. I am just part of a generation, deprived of this great treasure.

Submitted by Brian in Wisconsin (not verified) on

How does the same Mass that the Church enjoyed (key word) for at least 1,400 years and which made saints undermine that same Church? How is a more reverent, silent, meditative Mass a bad thing?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on

Because for that 1400 years the majority of the faithful were the same illiterate, uneducated, society. They were unable to take responsibility for working out their own salvation in fear and trembling. I would by far rather have a personal relationship with Jesus than one where every contact I have with the almighty is through the church.

Submitted by Dorothy (not verified) on

It is nice for a Protestant to comment here. It gives Catholics a chance to explain their faith. Of course Catholics pray outside of Mass. There are many traditional devotions that Catholic familes foster, like morning and evening prayer at home, the rosary, personal prayer and graces before meals. But because we are a community, and because our priests our are links with our bishops, the successors of the Twelve Apostles, and of course because Jesus is present in an amazing, personal way in the holy sacrifice of the Mass, we also gather together as the church on Sundays and other days.

More traditionally minded Catholics, ones whose social needs are perhaps met outside of Mass, very much appreciate reverent liturgies where we have space in which to encounter Mystery. It is sometimes hard to find that space at the OF Mass since the norms of the Novus Ordo mass are rarely respected.

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