Have you got the rite stuff?
Read "Incoming Missal" then join this forum to discuss the pros and controversies surrounding the impending changes to the liturgy. What do you think of the "reform of the refomr"? What would you have done differently?
Comments (8)
New Mass translation
By Helen Welter (not verified) on Tuesday, December 1, 2009How does praying in bad grammar and archaic words that few understand (consubstantial with the Father, for instance)enhance my celebration of the Mass? And why in this economic downturn, would the bishops even consider a new translation given the cost to every diocese and Parish to buy new books and hymnals? To me it appears as an absurd attempt to deflect the attention of the laity from the results of the abuse of children to something that will capture our attention.
Shame on you, bishops, for believeing that lay people are so stupid.
i agree. why won't more
By Bradcarters (not verified) on Tuesday, December 1, 2009i agree. why won't more people listen to him?
No reform of the reform ... yet.
By GA Catholic (not verified) on Saturday, October 17, 2009This new English translation of the Roman Missal does not represent a "reform of the reform." It is merely a correct translation. A "reform of the reform" would involve changes in the Latin typical edition of the Roman Missal that would apply to all Catholics, not just English-speaking Catholics.
Why has the English-language missal been "singled out" for retranslation? Because the English translation was worse than translations in other languages. As a one-off example, the collect for the 15th Sunday in ordinary time currently reads:
God our Father, your light of truth guides us to the way of Christ. May all who follow him
reject what is contrary to the gospel.
This same collect, with one word added, is the collect for the 3rd Sunday of Easter in the 1962 missal. A common English 1962 handmissal renders it:
O God, who to those that go astray dost show the light of Thy truth, that they may return to the path [of justice]; grant that all who are enrolled in the Christian faith may both spurn all that is hostile to that name and follow after what is fitting to it.
Notice a difference?
Translated word-for-word from the current German missal, this collect reads:
God, you show those who have strayed the light of truth and lead them back to the right path. Give all, who call themselves Christians, the strength to avoid that which contradicts this name and to do that which conforms to our faith.
Pretty obvious, I think.
Praise & worship
By Anonymous (not verified) on Sunday, September 6, 2009In the article "incoming missal" Fr. Keyes dismisses the "praise & worship" hyms as "protestant theology." Other than "Gather us in", he doesn't mention any other specific songs. I'm just curious. Exactly what "protestant theology" do these songs reflect. Or is he referring to the whole idea of "praising God with song" which protestants have been known to do - but I thought all Judeo-Christians used music in their worship. I love to sing the "protestant" hymns, especially the gospel hymns of the south. Could someone explain to me how this music interferes with Catholic Theology?
I would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks
We have needed reform for a
By Fr. Jim (not verified) on Wednesday, August 12, 2009We have needed reform for a long time. The progressives will moan and fight, but the war is over. They lost. Now it is time to end the silly season and restore the liturgy to what Vatican II really wanted. Thank God for Pope Benedict!
We lost?
By Dennis (not verified) on Friday, November 13, 2009And why did we lose, because we were out doing the work of Christ in society while others were consolidating their influence. We didn't lose, we are still doing good work. This isn't the middle ages anymore where you can order people around. Unless they start issuing laminated "Catholic in good standing" cards we will abide. We will not abandon OUR church because of misguided leadership. The Church does make mistakes (look up Pope Alexander VI) and the Holy Spirit eventually fixes them. I intend to be there when that happens.
back to the good old days?
By d.novak (not verified) on Wednesday, August 5, 2009First off - Yes - Latin is beautiful, as is Gregorian chant. Of course, I've been to a Basque mass and a Tongan mass that exceeded the Latin mass for sheer beauty. Should we be going in one of those directions?
I guess I don't understand how praying in a language I do not speak - or even in dated usages of English - improves my ability to worship God and grow closer to my neighbor. Should we be ignoring the respiratory distress of some of our parishoners and burn more incense? Do we need the shaken bells to point out to us "Uh guy - This is the Consecration - pay attention." Stockhausen (sp) is probably considered a superior composer to any of those who wrote gregorian chant. Should the mass make better use of his work?
I'm not particularly concerned with the "spirit" of the presider at mass. I want the Lord to be with Him.
Bishop Trautman has much the
By Sheila M (not verified) on Friday, November 13, 2009Bishop Trautman has much the same opinion and I think it has great merit.
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