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Monday, June 28, 2010
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Booze and bullets are a lethal cocktail no matter how you shake it.  

Lovers of freedom suffered a temporary setback in May when Tennessee Govenor Phil Bredesen vetoed a bill that would allow the state's 270,000 gun permit holders to carry firearms into bars, nightclubs, restaurants, and other establishments that serve alcohol. Bredesen described his decision as a victory for common sense, arguing that guns and booze are not the wisest of mixes, a proposition even the National Rifle Association in a previously less insane incarnation would hardly challenge.

This is the second time in two years that Bredesen has vetoed a "guns in bars" bill. The Tennessee legislature quickly voted to override this latest veto, as it had his last, and now the matter will go again before the courts.

Tennessee residents, showing a better grasp of everyday reality than their legislators, by large majorities oppose this bill, so it's hard to understand the legislators' keen interest in getting guns and liquor into closer proximity. We're not talking chocolate and peanut butter after all.

Supporters say that the gun-shy should not fear the new law since it requires that gun wranglers refrain from drinking when they bring their weapons into these establishments, that, um, serve drinks.

The right-to-carry movement has been gathering steam in recent years and what better place to blow some of that off than a bar? Folks seem to want to carry weapons with them wherever they go: to church, to Starbucks, even political rallies hosted by President Obama seem an appropriate occasion to brandish an AK-47 or two. It's apparently really, really dangerous out there.

According to the National Rifle Association, there are 40 right-to-carry states with varying degrees of restrictions from none at all to requirements that bearers obtain permits to conceal their weapons. Only a handful of states still maintain significant barriers to carrying weapons, particularly of the concealed variety, including socialist communes such as New York, New Jersey, California, and Illinois.

Decades ago good old Archie Bunker opined that U.S. society would be completely safe if everyone carried a gun. These days that argument is no longer parody; it's fast becoming the received wisdom of Second Amendment maximalists who haven't met an assault rifle they didn't like or a gun regulation they could tolerate. Studies that buttress the "more guns, less crime thesis" are routinely cited in defense of the armed-to-the-teeth culture gun fetishists propose, but repeating this meme doesn't make it true, anymore than starting out with a belief and finding a collection of statistics to confirm it makes good sociology.

The facts are pretty clear: Owing to our gun-happy ways, Americans are uniquely vulnerable to gun violence with gun mortality and injury at rates as much as 30 times higher than other advanced Western democracies. That doesn't necessarily mean that the U.S. is uniquely violent compared to other societies. It just means that our easy access to more lethal weaponry makes our occasional encounters with the violent, the thief, or the deranged more dangerous. Guns may not kill people, but fewer people would succeed in killing people were they armed with spatulas instead of Glocks.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms studies have long confirmed that it is the vast reservoir of legal guns, perhaps as many as 300 million, in the United States that feed the handgun supply for America's criminal class and likely our homegrown terrorist fringe. Reducing rather than enlarging that reservoir would be a rational step toward a society that is actually safer. Instead of promoting a culture where everyone is armed for the struck-by-lightning possibility of a terrorist or homicidal maniac's attack, why not prevent attacks before they occur by making it more difficult for those bent on violence from acquiring guns in the first place?

The whole point of living as humans do, together in community-this thing we call civilization-is to step away from the rule of the jungle, to share a collective responsibility for the well-being of others. For Christians the responsibility to help build a peaceable community together is especially great. The armed society inverts the purpose of community, promoting intimidation, fear, and a radical individualism that in this instance is actually a physical danger to others. Most people just don't want to live this way; why are we surrendering to the loud minority that insists otherwise? 

Kevin Clarke is a writer living in New York. This article appeared in the August 2010 issue of U.S. Catholic (Vol. 75, No. 8, page 39).

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Grrrr

This discussion has devolved into a less than courteous discussion of various points of view .There are a lot of Anonymouses so it is difficult to maintain a transfer of ideas with "armed liberal".Many of the blogs express sentiments that are not mine.It had been ,I feel, an open expression of ideas .I was attempting to find out why he was a leftist; although it had been proven time and time again to lead to loss of freedom and a failed economy .Still puzzled.

Puzzled

OK, I'll use A.L. from now on. I don't consider myself a leftist. That's a term I associate with Socialists, Communists etc. I'm a liberal Democrat. You're a Conservative. Are you a rightest? I describe myself as a liberal because the term has been beaten down by Conservatives and disowned by liberals who are afraid to be pegged as leftists so they call themselves Progressives, a term I have no problem with except as a dodge. Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party was formally The Progressive Party. If I was a Republican I'd be a Teddy Roosevelt one. TR was booed at the Tea Party convention as a liberal. How Conservative do you have to be to boo Teddy Roosevelt? More than I am liberal. 70 years ago when my Catholic trade unionist grandfathers were Democrats, when most Catholics were, my politics would have been considered mainstream, the same 60 years ago when my Democratic father started hunting, a tradition he would pass on to me. Since the 80's the GOP has gone so far to the right as to peg normal Democrats like me "leftists". We haven't changed, the extremes have. I don't agree with everything in the Democratic Party platform but it still represents my views more than the GOP. In my view the GOP is much further to the right than the Dems are to the left. My mother's father was in the Civilian Conservation Corps during the Depression. I think that was a good program as were others under FDR that the GOP opposed. Does that make me a leftist? If so, so be it.

puzzled

Well armed liberal if being referred to as a leftist is inaccurate I can only say that it would be normal for anyone reading one of your messages"I'm pretty far left"Page 2 of the blog,to assume you consider yourself a leftist but if you don't then so be it.If being a rightist means being to the right politically to a socialist,communist,liberal or leftist then yeah! I would definitely wear the label of rightist.If you are still comfortable with your president bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia,declaring in Cairo that the US is arrogant ,appointing Czars that are all far out radicals,having his ambassadors and trade missions go to China,Columbia etc and ask forgiveness for Arizonas SB1070 then we really have reached an impasse where we have no common ground.Peace and long life.

Dear Rightist

I think you're putting a bit of rightist spin of things but even if I agreed with you, which I don't, it wouldn't be enough to get me to vote Republican.

I think you're right, we probably have reached an impasse on this stuff. It's too bad we couldn't meet on a range and bust clays. We'd probably have more in common there. Even if we didn't I'd rather argue ballistics with you than politics.

Peace to you too.

grrr armed liberal

This is the first message you have posted that was difficult for me to follow.Hitler was against abortion ;maybe in the middle of the war ,when he needed soldiers for his thousand year reich but certainly ,he was always for abortion when it came to the Jews.The "whiskey drinking legislators"were democrats,the filibusters of the" civil rights "law were ;you guessed it ;democrats,the largest national debt ever run up ;yes ,by democrats. "Abortions decline under democrats "now you are being disingenuous.As for my vote, after listening to Obamas' friends(Ayers the democracy hating communist;the white hating Wright,etc) he was a nonstarter and McCain a RINO was not my choice so as a free man I voted for the CONSTITUTION party candidate.This time around though not a "tea party "member I will support many of their candidates.Have a pleasant day.

Difficult To Follow

I'll have to check but I'm pretty sure Hitler always wanted lots of Germans so he was against aborting them. He was also in favor of a very traditional homemaker role for German women, something modern Conservatives would agree with. Of course he wanted to kill disabled and deformed kids and everyone else he didn't like especially Jews but was against aborting Germans.

Not all the whiskey drinking men who voted for Prohibition were Dems but you won't find me going to bat for them or unrepentant Dixiecrats (Byrd repented many times in case you're going there). We've had some good Republican presidents. Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt were great. Eisenhower was a good man, Ford too. But Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes? Me no like.

In all this I haven't tried to convince you to change your political views or vote. That's you and you've been pretty polite about it. My point has been that being a Catholic gun owning scout leader shouldn't give anyone an assumption of my politics.

Of course as a free man and an American citizen you can vote for whoever you like. I don't agree with your choices but I'll defend your right to make them. I won't question your faith to do it. I'm not saying you questioned mine; I don't think you did, but others have and that just sparks my flintlock.

I hope you enjoy the day too.

grrr armed liberal

I don't know who introduced PETA into this discussion but it was not me.You don't like NIXON,REAGAN or the BUSHES Well Nixon took us off the gold standard and opened up China by setting China up as a manufacturing nation and the US agreed to become a service oriented nation ,in my view a colossal error.Bush 41"read my lips ,no new taxes" and "his new world order"a dishonest individual.Bush 43 the "IRAQ war" enough said where we differ is in our feelings for President R.Reagan ;I view him as an American icon .I think history will be very kind to him.

PETA

I didn't bring up PETA; they're nuts. If God didn't want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
We share opinions on Nixon and the Bushes. I couldn't feel more strongly about China. I'll never forget coming out from a week in the woods and hearing about Tiananmen Square or former prez Bush I saying he doubted his pals the Chinese would do that. None of us should ever forget what they did to their own people. If I could I'd never buy anything from China. It's impossible. I've always said someday we'll have to fight them. God bless the Chinese people but their government will never allow the freedom those students called for in 1989. Capitalism yes, democracy, never. Reagan was a good bad actor, a strange man who seemed to believe in a celluloid version of reality. He had his good points; helping to bring down the Soviet Empire was one of them, but like another likable guy, Pope JPII, I blame him for a rightward turn that I assume you liked but I didn't. One of the worst things he did was ignore the AIDS epidemic, dismissing it as the wages of sin. One of the most courageous things he did was apologize for it after his presidency and admit he was wrong . Another brave thing was his farewell from public life letter about Alzheimer's. But I put him and JPII in the same cast. They were both charismatic former actors whose policies I didn't agree with. They were both good at not seeing things they didn't want to.

He was a liberal

Hitler loved nature and was a great environmentalist. He loved animals, so he must have been in PETA. Also he was a vegetarian. Certainly he believed in gun control. And he replaced scouts with Hitler Youth. Gee, he sounds like a modern liberal.

Gee

You forgot to say Obama is a Nazi AND a Commie and the Antichrist too. You're slipping.

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