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The wrong way to respond to gay marriage

Thursday, August 19, 2010
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As demonstrated by Cardinal Juan Sandoval Iniguez, archbishop of Guadalajara, who accused the members of the Mexican Supreme Court of accepting bribes after it upheld Mexico City's law permitting same-sex marriage and adoption by same-sex couples. Iniguez topped off his accusation with a denunciation of the adoptions, in which he used a Spanish epithet for gay men: "Would you want to be adopted by a pair of fa**ots or lesbians?" he asked, according ot the L.A. Times. The Mexican Supreme Court unanimously censured the cardinal for his accusations of corruption.

Iniguez response is a cautionary tale for Catholic bishops and other leaders in the U.S. who will be opposing Judge Vaughn Walker's overturning of Califormia's Proposition 8 in the courts. In arguing for the restriction of civil marriage to heterosexuals, Catholics can't be seen to be against gay people, much less homophobic, as I think Iniguez's statement arguably is.

Indeed, the Catholic side of this debate must tread carefully, for several reasons. First, there are many gay and lesbian people in the church, called by God into it through their baptism. Catholic conversation about homosexuality must always keep in mind that we are talking about members of the body of Christ here.

Second, there are more and more Catholic families with openly gay and lesbian children, many of whom are grown and have partners and families of their own. The blood of family being thicker than the waters of baptism, the participants in the Catholic debate about gay marriage must recognize that many Catholic parents long ago accepted the sexuality of their gay children, have come to love their partners, and treasure the grandchildren they have through them. Already in California, a recent poll has shown that Latino Catholics are now the religious group most in support of gay marriage at 57 percent. That's the family dynamic at work.

I foresee difficult times ahead on this issue. With dueling press releases most often dominating the debate, I fear the first casualty will be charity, evidence of which is clear in the Mexico case.

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This line is very thin and blur

All previous comments are very touching. I'm gay, and alway try to understand God's whole plan. Definitely this is not an enjoyment or a choice. I always seek for approval to love and beloved like other human being. Can we, gay people love and be loved from someone. Two thousand years ago, some deceases were treated as a curse or sin from God. Then, we overcome that point for a very long time, don't we?

Yes, you can be loved, but it

Yes, you can be loved, but it states right in the bible that it is a sin to act sexually on a gay relationship. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve! There would be no families because there would be no procreation from man and woman. I know gay people that have given themselves to the Lord and live a religious life.

Kill God

"Do not be deceived, neither homosexuals, drunkards, adulters, or the greedy will inherit the Kingdom of God."

The God whose Holy Spirit inspired this verse must be killed.

Oops. Already tried that. Didn't work.

On the third day He rose again from the dead. We just can't get rid of this God!

Now what?

"For if judgement begins with the Family of God, what will become of the pagans and unbelievers?"

Catholics Don't Have A Problem With Gays

It's all about what a person believes and the way they live their life, not who they are sexually attracted to.

If the bishops don't understand this, they aren't Catholic. Why do we have all these non Catholic bishops?

Where the line is drawn

The position of the Catholic Church is that those who suffer from a same sex attraction must try to overcome this. A homosexual is still loved by God but is also given a heavy cross to bare as they must remain celibate so long as these tendencies remain. Homosexual acts are intrinsically evil, whereas those with homosexual tendencies must choose God over their desires and offer their sufferings as a gift they willingly give to God.

It's all about what a person

It's all about what a person believes and the way they live their life, not who they are sexually attracted to.

And yet, reddog, if one believes that homosexual acts are acceptable and lives as a sexually active homosexual, then that person offends God greatly, loses His grace, and puts his soul in danger of eternal damnation.

That is Catholic doctrine.

Gay Marriage

Catholic doctrine or no, didn't Christ tell us that we must love everyone as we would love ourselves? I would like to see the Catholic Church teach a little tolerance and understanding, which I believe was the message of Our Lord. When the Pope and Cardinals begin to take care of the needs of its flock, rather than driving lambs away by ignoring and in fact covering up the actions of child molesting priests, as it has done quite vigorously here in California...Just see a movie called, "Deliver Us From Evil", for real insight into this type of hypocrisy on the Church's part, then talk to me about God not loving all the creatures he has made...When I look at my child, who was raised and educated completed in the Catholic Schools, who came to me and said that these feelings were there since early childhood. I knew, in my heart-of-hearts, before I was even told. Oh there had been many dates with the opposite sex, but the feelings just weren't there. Now, there has been a committed relationship of several years with a partner, who was also raised devoutly Catholic, and is more spiritual than any of the former dates of the opposite sex. And shame on a supposed man of God for using such vile and hurtful words to talk about people. Where is your Christian charity? No wonder, I am having such a crisis, maybe not of faith, but of Church.

Catholic doctrine or no,

Catholic doctrine or no, didn't Christ tell us that we must love everyone as we would love ourselves?

Loving others as ourselves means, among other things, that we do our best to assist them to the everlasting joys of Heaven and not encourage them to lose their eternal souls.

You do your child no favors and show him/her no love by condoning his/her homosexuality.

Gay Marriage

The word "condone" is unacceptable here. What I am doing is loving my child as God intended me to do. I believe that the Episcopal Church maybe more in line with the real world than what is happening in the Catholic Church, and it is a shame. For a so-called man of God to use such language, and for the Cardinal of Los Angeles to protect child molesting priests, who now reside free in Ireland, then to turn around and have churches rally against gay marriage seems hypocritical to me. The Church should not be casting stones. God created gays, whether the Catholic Church wants to accept that fact or not. They were, in fact, born that way. It is not a choice. And, I have seen less spiritual people attend Sunday Mass and live horrible, hate-filled lives, than my child and partner, who only live and show love.

Gay Marriage

This subject has been a cause of great concern for me and has caused a crisis of faith that I thought would never happen. As the 7th child in a Catholic family of 9 children, I was kiddingly referred to by my siblings as the "most Catholic" of all of us. Now, I'm not so sure! After watching what had been my Church "condone" child molestation by priests, and then turn around and condemn the love between 2 people who were created by God and who only want the same rights as every other couple who love each other...to marry and establish a loving family unit. Like Ann Rice, the author, I have my love of God and the teachings of Jesus Christ, which I think sometimes that the Catholic hierarchy has forgotten. I have 2 children who were educated from first grade through high school in the Catholic schools. One of them happens to have turned out to be gay, after dating the opposite sex, but realized that the feelings that were there since early childhood were real. All I can say to those who call names and are hateful, "Judge not lest you be judged!" And imagine if your child is gay. Would you really hate your own child and want to deny your child his or her constitutional rights? I'll listen to what the Catholic Church has to say on this when it starts following Christ's teachings and when it begins to care more about children than it does about evil molesting priests who ruin lives!

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