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Immigration advocates are losing patience with Obama

Thursday, February 4, 2010

An immigration rally at La Placita in Los Angeles, the historic downtown church entrusted to the Claretians, reflected a growing pessimism on the prospects of comprehensive immigration reform among immigration activists. The Massachusetts election had something to do with it, but Rep. Luis Gutierrez  (D-IL) ventures the lukewarm support of President Barack Obama had as much.

In his State-of-the-Union speech the president had only 38 words on immigration -- and Gutierrez feels --  no passion. The congressman realistically admits his own comprehensive reform bill has little chance in the House – needing at least 18 more votes – much less in the Senate. Despite the doubt in Washington on the wisdom of pushing for immigration reform now, the Arizona Republic still feels it is urgent for the country, for the economy and for immigrants to push on this year.


H-1B Temporary Guest Workers
When thinking of foreign guest workers in this country, we usually call up images of field hands, fruit pickers, nursery workers – mostly Mexicans. They come legally into the country to work with one employer, who is to have certified to the government there are no native workers who want the job. But that's the H-1A program that covers agricultural workers – and most people agree no one wants those jobs. For non-agricultural workers there is the more controversial H-1B. The designations refer to the section of the law that describes the program. Both programs have their own set of abuses. To achieve a comprehensive immigration reform, it is essential that the section on temporary workers be carefully crafted to respect the rights of native workers and redress the grievances of the guest workers.

J. R Morrow introduced us long ago to the near slave conditions that agricultural workers  experienced in his famous "Harvest of Shame" TV documentary. A recent article in the New York Times reveals that that abuse exists as well in the H-1B program.

After Hurricane Katrina a Mississippi company hired Indian steel workers to repair oil riggings out in the Gulf. These workers, many of whom paid thousands of dollars to recruiters for their visas, had expectations that after a few years they would receive green cards or permanent residency. When they realized they had been tricked, they began to complain. Their employer dismissed their complaints as “chronic whining” and sought advice from Immigration and Custom Enforcement agents on how to handle the malcontents. ICE's suggestion was to pull the troublemakers out of line as they filed to work, pack them off in a van, and send them back to India The employer tried that, but was stopped by alert immigration advocates blocking the gate so the vans could not pass through. The workers are now suing the company, the company is suing the recruiters, and both the Justice Department and Homeland Security are investigating the conduct of employer and ICE agents. The New York Times editorialized: “[The guest workers] were trapped as surely as if they were shackled”. Basically they were at the mercy of one disgruntled employer. That's no way to treat honest workers who were recruited to help us after a tragedy – Hurricane Katrina.:

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Dont fall for open border zealot propaganda

In a Statement by Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano, when addressing the Senate Judiciary Committee in December 2009-- CORRECT? The guarantee was that Obama government had already made successful steps in securing our borders, thus moving us one stride nearer to “Comprehensive Immigration Reform.” Her main objective was to influence these politicians, that by stating, " Our efforts are achieving their desired results at the border. . . . In short, the security of our southwest border has been transformed.” As proof of this incredulous optimistic pledge, DHS Secretary advised to a decline in the number of illegal aliens apprehended along the border, adding, Apprehensions of illegal aliens at the border have dropped to their lowest levels in decades, signaling reduced traffic flows and fewer attempts to illegally enter the United States.” ROSEMARY JENKS is the Director, Government Relations for NumbersUSA, who visited with Border Patrol Agents in the Tucson Sector in mid-October of 2009 and asked if they believe the official DHS statement that three illegal aliens successfully enter the United States for every one who is apprehended, they laughed.

illigal immigrants

I do not understand when people say they are honest law abidding citicins,and in the same sentance useing the word illigal immigrants it does not matter for what reason you want to come here you have to do it the ligal why,if you want to feed your family then why not stay in your country and fight and accuse the Government of being enhumane because i believe that the problem of illigal immigration is not going to get fixed by reform thats just going to add to the problem ,enforcing the laws and forceing the Mexican Government to step up and create jobs for its people is the only why to stop illigal entery,once the Mexican Government knows that the free ride is over when people start going back it will have to do something.

hypocrisy

I'm a Catholic and I think it is shameful how the Church supports illegal immigration. Recently, the Church refused to give communion to Patrick Kennedy because of his stand on abortion. In other words, they refused to bend their laws to accommodate someone. Yet this same Church has no problem with people that break the laws of this country. That is hypocrisy. What makes it even worse is the perception that the Church supports illegal immigration mainly because most of them are Catholic.

No Communion for Abortion, but for Illegal Immigration

Dear Unverified Anonymous,

I was raised Catholic and was taught that everyone comes from God. This includes illegals and those whom we seek to abort.

My humble opinion is that there is no hypocrisy in defending illegal immigration while condeming abortion. An illegal immigrant is a person. A baby on abortionrow is a person( they say it there is only a potential tobe human, but I would argue that the unborn baby does not have potential to be a cow).

Whether it is the one climbing the fence or the one waiting to be vacuumed out of a uterus, it appears to me that the Catholic Church seems to be saying:You have a right to life.

Then you wonder what role you and me have in society if we can decide that others cannot be or are not deserving of human rights and digninty...then you wonder why then if others are not worthy of life....then why should we have life in us in the form of the Eucharist....

Of course the main problem is that for those who cannot be "immigrants"in their country of origin, it may be hard to imagine what moral virtues would move one to be illegal in another country. Perhaps the veil that makes it hard to see what proponents of the unborn baby are trying to do is that both you and me are already born!

Hypocrisy is an overused word

Your argument is a non sequitur. You are comparing apples and oranges: you say that if the Church enforces its laws on abortion (Kennedy and abortion), it must not criticize the laws of the state.

The Church has its laws. A country has its own. It’s called separation of Church and State.

The Church is free to express it position of existing or proposed laws of the state. If the Church wants to deny Patrick Kennedy membership, that's its business. If it wants to praise or criticize a law of the state just as any private citizen does, that is fine too.

On the immigration issue, I find the hierarchy to be moral cowards. The Church recognizes the right of the state to regulate immigration and also calls the state to be merciful in its policies, which is fine. However, they tend to spout off against limitations on immigration without providing a standard which they think is reasonable level for the state to regulate. It's a sanctimonious position with no accountability.

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Reply to hypocrisy/anonymous

Not all laws are created equal.  There actually is a hierarchy of laws.   There are laws that come from God the Father Himself (some through His direct voice, some implicitly in His creation).  There are laws and commands that Christ gave us.... there are laws of the Church on important and even lesser matters (e.g. Canon Law).... there are laws of civil authorities, etc.

Laws created by imperfect human beings, particularly civil authorities, can be bad laws that do not conform to the perfect laws of a perfect God.   Some human laws could have once been practical or good, but later can become outdated or bad, due to changed circumstances.  Other man-made laws can severely compromise or even assault the dignity of the human person, or even defy God's holiness.  The Church is obligated to hold up God's ways and human dignity, and also to speak up in defense of the weak and powerless.  We must "obey God rather than men."

If current civil laws and statutes regarding immigration, abortion, or any other matter should happen to compromise or assault the dignity of human beings, then the Church must speak up.   

In whose opinion do the

In whose opinion do the current civil laws regarding immigration assault the dignity of human beings? Yours? It happens to be the opinion of the majority of Roman Catholics in this country that the immigration laws be followed so I'm a little confused as to the Church's stance. As a Catholic should I just pick and choose the civil laws that I follow? Or should I just ask the same omnipotent people that have dictated the Church's stance?

Calm Down

David was not making the statement current immigration laws were assaulting the dignity of human beings, he was just making the appropriate case that if it thinks there is a problem, it should speak up.

It should be obvious that moral law extends over civil law. If the state says you must not protect Jews from being sent to the gas chamber you should pick and choose not to follow that law of the state.

Certainly the case for harboring illegal aliens in the U.S. is not in the same realm as protecting Jews from the gas chamber. I think churches that harbor illegal aliens do not have such a moral mandate that they should cavalierly ignore the laws of the state. However, the Church unquestionably has the right to criticize policy.

Obama and Immigration

Obama is a hypocrite. He is not true to his self. He speaks something and means something else. A very diabolical natured president. He lied about a CIR to get to be a President. Lame promises..no action. Typical politician.

Well if you really want

Well if you really want people to follow immigration laws, you must fix the system.

its oviously that the system is broken, illegal immigrants come with good intentions for honorable reasons, to feed their families and have a better life, not all of them have the luxury to afford a visa or much the education to get information on how to obtain one.

Now u have bigots coming up with numbers on how the desrtoy the economy. be realistic people.

the system is broken, and it has to get fixed.

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