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Latin Mass? Ho-hum, majority of Catholics say

Wednesday, August 26, 2009
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Saw this yesterday, but USC contributor J. Peter NIxon, who wrote our August feature on the coming changes to Sunday Mass (which drew a robust 71 comments), brought it to my attention again this morning, and it's worthy of note. The Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate released a study yesterday noting that a solid majority of U.S. Catholics (63 percent) have no opinion about Pope Benedict's expansion of the Latin (Tridentine) liturgy. And, contrary to popular perception, the group with the least amount of interest in the Latin Mass is younger Catholics, with only 16 percent of those born after 1982 supporting its return.

Overall, only 25 percent of respondents favor the wider permission; that's down from 40 percent in 1985. Those opposing it dropped to a mere 12 percent from 35 in 1985. In other words it looks like the big battle over the liturgy initiated after Vatican II is over--with 63 percent opting out. Smaller and smaller percentages are actually interested.

I'm sure there are a lot of ways of reading this date--and you can read the whole study here--but I think one thing is clear: There is no great groundswell for a liturgical return to the past. Most Catholics have moved on, despite all the heat generated by our August Sounding Board about the return of the old liturgy.

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Latin mass?

I know that the Roman Rite is not the only form of liturgy celebrated in Latin. Other Latin liturgical rites used the language, and in some cases continue to do so. These include the Ambrosian Rite and the Mozarabic Rite. Some priests and communities continue to use non-Roman-Rite liturgies that have been generally abandoned, such as the Carmelite Rite and the Dominican Rite, celebrating them in Latin. Where these other Latin liturgical rites are in use, their celebration in the Latin language is sometimes referred to as "Latin Mass".

Latin Mass

Younger Catholics don't miss the TLM because they have never experienced it. You cannot miss what you have never experienced. The Church waited too long to reinstate the TLM. Forty years is a generation. Give the TLM time. This poll is bogus. Just because a majority of Catholics seem to approve the "dumbing down" of liturgical practices instigated in the 1960s, doesn't mean that things are okay. Catholic parishes are still empty, people DON'T go to Mass, seminaries and convents are empty--blame this on Vatican II.

Latin Mass

As a member of an Independent Catholic Church, considered in schism with the Roman Curia. I am with that small group that laments the loss of the Tridentine Mass. Our parish celebrates Novus Ordo and while I am comfortable with the liturgy, I find it wanting.
Luckily I can go across to to a Western Rite Antiochan Orthodox Church that celebrates the 1962 rite weekly as their High Mass. They have also formed a schola cantorum so the mass can be sung and not just said. After that service is a Novus Ordo service each week.
I think there is room in the Church for both rites and it doesn't need to be an either or situation.

+Pax,
Br. Cuthbert

Latin Mass

I went to a sparsely attended Latin Mass in Skokie, IL last Sunday, my first LM in 40+ years. I forgot about the bells. I wanted to laugh out loud...but I felt there was too much somber theatre for that. I think Jesus would have laughed and poked fun at this. I couldn't believe that there were women with veils on. Holy shmokes! No wonder Ann Rice gave up writing books about Vampires and came back to the Catholic Church. The choir couldn't seem to get the vocalizations right as well. I came away ever more thankful for the joy in my Parish.

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"Tradition" and Latin

Helen and Linda:

"If we really want to go back to 'tradition' we must go back to the time of Jesus when Eucharist was celebrated in homes at a table..."

Helen, "tradition" doesn't just mean "something done at the beginning." It means "something handed on." It wasn't long until the Eucharist was celebrated differently than at first. St. Paul had to rein in some abuses in Corinth in the mid-50s.

As for "people older than 40 will not understand or be able to pronounce the words," do you really think that everyone under 40 years old is too stupid to learn some new words or even PRONOUNCE them? How on earth do children learn a foreign language?

Latin was never supposed to be abandoned. Bl. Pope John XXIII and Vatican II affirm that.

Linda, if what you say is right (and I disagree), shouldn't the Church try to reach out to the "small but vocal and emotionally need[y] segment" of the faithful? Isn't that the generous, pastoral thing to do?

The Mass should not be ordinary or mundane, and I would bet that the reason the "Ordinary Form" of the Mass gets things like mimes and clowns and dances infused with it is because people are bored and want something exciting and entertaining. The Mass SHOULD be dramatic by its very nature (not because something is added to it) because of the sacred mysteries being entered into!

The Laltin Mass

I attended the Mass in Latin until I was 20 years old and I studied Latin for 4 years. Finally, after Vatican II I began to PARTICIPATE in the Liturgy. If we really want to go back to "tradition" we must go back to the time of Jesus when Eucharist was celebrated in homes at a table with bread and wine that was part of the daily meal. Why are the hierarchy touting Latin as more reverent when people older than 40 will not understand or be able to pronounce the words?

In my opinion, the return to Latin and the old ways is an attempt to regain control of a Church that has been rocked by scandal and abuse.

Thank you

Thank you for bringing this forward. I suspected that it was a small, but vocal and emotionally needed segment of ordained and lay that were pushing for a returned to the Latin Mass. Based maybe on nostalgia but probably on frustration with the quiet,slow work of God that occurs mostly in the ordinary, mundane parts of life and worship. Much easier to get caught up and swept away (perhaps entertained?) in drama.

reply to Linda

Linda,

My honest question is, if God works slowly in the ordinary and mundane parts of life and worship, then why has there been a revolution in the liturgy of the Mass since the Second Vatican Council? Shouldn't these changes have been slow and mundane as well, reflecting the work of God? I was born in 1973 and have until now had no experience of a Latin Mass that was the norm 10 years before I was born.

On Saturday morning I went to an EF Mass in another city and it was attended by a mainly youthful group of people. These people really seemed meek and everything you would hope young people would be. The young women were demure and the young men bowed reverently. It was truly and extraordinary experience for me and I thank God that there are young people like this in the world. Yet it seemes tragic that a separate community has to be created to experience the Latin Mass.

On Sunday, I went to Mass at my home Parish. My Parish priest is humble and it was a nice familiar Mass.

I don't want to compare the two Masses, I just wish that the EF Mass was available in my Parish as well as I am sure it would add something quite special to Parish life for my community.

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