Can a Catholic be "for" it--gay marriage that is?
After Megan's post on the Colbert-Kmiec interview, it's worth pointing out that Kmiec isn't the first Catholic to argue that Catholics shouldn't oppose civil recognition for same-sex couples, carefully distinguishing them from their religious counterparts. Marquette theologian Father Bryan Massingale wrote an interesting guest opinion for the Archdiocese of Milwaukee's Catholic Herald in 2006, which now-Archbishop of New York, Timothy Dolan, allowed to be printed.
In the piece Massingale argued that an anti-gay marriage amendment to Wisconsin's constitution violated Catholic social teaching because it went beyond restricting marriage to heterosexual couples but also nullified any other civil arrangement, which would be an unjust infringement on the civil and human rights of a specific group of people. Massingale, interestingly, appealed to the arguments of then-Archbishop of San Francisco William Levada (now prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith) when Levada was required to extend benefits to the domestic partners of Catholic Church employees.
It seems clear that same-sex couples are going to continue to win civil recognition for their relationships, with public and legal opinion moving strongly in their favor. The recent moves in Iowa and Vermont, and pending legislation in New York State, are only the beginning. Rather than invest energy into what is surely a losing and destructive battle, it makes more sense for church leadership to put resources into helping Catholics understand (and better live) the sacrament of matrimony than preventing same-sex couples from access to state family law.
This conversation about this issue, like abortion, seems to easily degenerate into a shouting match, so, as always, charity first in your comments.
An unanswered question
By Annymous (not verified) on Wednesday, April 29, 2009Something that doesn't seem to come up in discussions of same-sex marriage but I think needs to be addressed before this discussion disapears into the archives, is whether homosexuality is a geneticly unalterable state or a behavior? Some years ago (the 90's, I think) a study was announced that showed that there was one gene that some male homosexuals had in common - but not all. And while this same gene could be found in heterosexuals as well, its occurance in male (not female) homosexuals showed a statistical significance. That was all. The study was never corroborated. It didn't need to be because the media grabbed it and announced to the world that homosexuals were born that way even though the study's authors said the study didn't really prove that. Somehow we seem to have a new cultural mythology that says that homosexuality is a genetic trait, not a behavior. Does this make a difference? I think it does.
There is another theory out there (Carl Jung) that homosexuality is a stage in development that we all pass through in our pre-teen years (most of us) but some kind of get stuck in. This theory has been buried in all the excitment about the genetic theory (it, too is just a theory at this point) and obviously it does not appeal to homosexuals who don't want to be told they are stuck in a stage of development. In addition to Jung's theory there is the matter of sexual addiction and all the many complex and and often unconscious reasons someone might want to embrace a homosexual lifestyle. So how does all this make a difference in the question of same-sex marriage?
It makes a difference if we are calling this a human rights issue. A behavioral issue is a little different. Obviously the behavior is not going away. It's been around forever and will continue no matter what is said from the pulpits. But does it have to be sanctioned as equal to heterosexual marriage - which the Church considers a sacrament? If it is a behavior it can be changed though there is not question change is very difficult. If homosexuality is genetic, it can't be changed and therefore is a human rights issue. This makes a difference in this whole discussion and is a still-unanswered question.
Unanswered question on homosexuality response
By Jerry (not verified) on Wednesday, April 29, 2009By looking at ancient societies which were universally bisexual, it is obvious that at least some homosexual behavior is not genetic. Homosexual tendencies for most people can be altered by the civilization in which we live.
We also know that children who have been molested are much more likely to become homosexual. That also shows that homosexuality can be influenced by the environment unless you hold to a weird theory that somehow molesters are attracted to children already programmed by biology to become homosexual adults.
Studies of twins raised in difference homes from birth suggest that many personality traits are genetic. That suggests that some may be more genetically aggressive and more likely to murder. However, I it doesn't makes a human rights issue out of whether we should outlaw murder or whether it is best for society to redefine marriage to include same sex.
What??
By Anonymous (not verified) on Tuesday, April 28, 2009Abomination? Church teaching? Marxists and liberal infiltration?
What does any of this have to do with the legal right of US citizens to enter into contracts?
Legal Rights
By Jerry (not verified) on Tuesday, April 28, 2009Gays do have the right to enter into legal contracts to share assets and live together in any state of the union.
gay marriage
By onlein (not verified) on Thursday, April 23, 2009This discussion assumes that marriage means sex (and probably procreation) and it pictures what people do when together in their own home. What of those marriages where people are celebate (straight or gay)? What of straight marriages where the woman is past childbearing age? Or those where the man has had a vasectomy? And why picture what people do behind closed doors? What business is it of our ours -- as long as both partners are consenting adults? Why get so cranked up about what others do? Pardon all the questions. But something troubles me about the tone of some respondents, those seeking to save people from themselves. We all have more than enough to do in saving ourselves. Part of that is becoming more understanding, more loving, more forgiving. Then, maybe, we can condemn. Nah, not even then. We are commanded to love. Even our political enemies.
Look into our hearts first
By Augustine (not verified) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009Before we take a position on any issue, including gay marriage, we'd best be sure that we are doing so out of love. Otherwise, we will not be following the commandment of Jesus of Nazareth.
If we cannot say, "We love all gay people and want what is best for them," then we should not be taking a position until we can.
Abomination of nature
By Timothy (not verified) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009Yes, as St. Thomas Aquinas would say, “we should always will the good of another and get it done.” That is the definition of love. Since male sodomy is an abomination of nature that calls for God’s wrath, we should all do what we can to make sure that it does not happen thereby proving our Christian love for homosexuals.
http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.3836955/k.BEC6/Hom...
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Abomination? ...seriously...
By Timothy J (not verified) on Wednesday, April 22, 2009... then a logical extension would suggest lesbianism is OK...
Also, taking from the same string from Leviticus... do you shave the side of your head? Do you eat shrimp or lobster? You Must have a railing on your roof, no?
Tell me in which Gospel passage Jesus makes a direct mention of homosexuality? I remember His response to the nice people ready to discharge punishment to a woman who violated the sexual mores of the time... "let he who is without sin or guilt, cast the first stone".
Abomination? YES
By Timothy (not verified) on Wednesday, April 22, 2009Greetings,
Well, by nature, the conjugal act is of necessity both unitive and procreative.
Consequently, there is no need to seek advice from Holy Writ to establish that all forms of homosexuality are an abomination of nature itself.
As far as the prostitute is concerned, Jesus did not deny her sin but forgave it. That means that the prostitute had to first realize that she was sinning, as repentance is necessary for salvation.
However, I do agree that there is no need to throw stones at sinners to make them realize that they are sinning.
The truth will set them free.
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So it is OK
By TimothyJ (not verified) on Friday, April 24, 2009... to pick and choose which Levitican Laws to enforce or not...
Name chapter and verse where Jesus make direct reference to homosexuality.. if were to be such a big deal, wouldn't He have addressed it with the the same passion as the others? Jesus spoke against divorce... yet I don't see too much of an uproar over that.
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