What's "real Catholic" mean?
Wednesday, November 5, 2008
By Megan Sweas
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A new website is attempting to draw the 18-35 crowd into a strict Catholic Church. RealCatholicTV.com claims to have what young adults want: cool online video content and rigid, traditional teachings.
Up until now, RealCatholicTV.com has also seemed to be a lot like a site for Catholics for McCain. Monday's "news" roundup featured a photo of Obama with the word "SHAME" flashing over it. They said that polls showed that Obama might win "Catholics in name only." This begs to ask, who decides who are "real Catholics" versus "Catholics in name only"?
We'll see what they do with their daily news now that the election is over, but based on the exit poll information from yesterday, I'm not sure they're going in the right direction if they're goal is to attract young people falling away from the church.
Founder Michael Voris' does make a good point about the need to liven up the presentation of Catholicism. Still, here's an excerpt about his views on what teaching needs to be presented from an article in the Detroit Free Press:
"To conservatives like [Voris], the church has been watered down over the past 40 years by liberal reforms that started with Vatican II. And it lacks, he says, dynamic teachers who preach the faith with passion.
"'People respond to the truth, not pablum,' Voris said, banging his pencil on the desk. 'And for decades, that's all young adults have been given. They've been fed gallons of innocuous, ethereal, kumbaya, arts-and-craft making, God is a rainbow, let's-hold-hands spiritually vacuous nonsense. Don't believe me? Start counting young adults at Mass the next time you're there.'"
The questions I have are will Voris' RealCatholicTV find an audience and if they do, will it be the audience they want to reach or will they be preaching to the choir? Take a look around the site and let me know what you think.
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REAL CATHOLIC TV RESPONDS
By Lionel Andrades (not verified) on Friday, August 12, 2011Friday, August 12, 2011
REAL CATHOLIC TV RESPONDS
RealCatholicTV has sent me the link of Dr. Brenner’s talk on salvation. They have responded to the posts addressed to them. They still seem unable to do a program on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They could begin by pointing out that the two objective errors on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia implies that Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) is an exception to the dogma and so this is the teaching today of the Catholic Church.
1. According to Wikipedia, the Catholic Church does not teach anymore that everyone needs to be a visible member of the Church for salvation and
2. all those who are saved are saved today through Jesus and the Church, implying those saved implicitly are known to us and so they contradict the dogma. The dogma indicates everyone with no exception needs to be an explicit, formal member of the Church.
Of course we believe all those who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. We also believe that everyone needs to be a visible member of the Church of salvation. There is no contradiction between the two statements. Wikipedia implies there is a contradiction.
3. There is no mention of the text of the dogma Cantate Domino Council of Florence. Cantate Domino for centuries said everyone needs to be a visible member of the Church for salvation.
-Lionel Andrades
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By Lionel Andrades (not verified) on Wednesday, August 3, 2011CONTINUED
So when the RealCatholic TV team talk to youth at the World Youth Day in Spain, young people could ask, “Why is abortion wrong when the Protestants allow it and they are all going to Heaven according to the Catholic Church?”, “If the Church can change its teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus can it not do so also on contraception?”, “If all Hindus, Muslims and , Buddhists are not going to Hell with mortal sins on their soul what is wrong with contraception ?”, “Even Lutherans who dress immodestly will go to Heaven if they are in invincible ignorance? The dogma indicated originally that they are all, with no exception, on the way to Hell now you make an exception with invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire? Like you can also make an exception for immodesty in clothes and wilful lust as not being a mortal sin?”
“All roads lead to Heaven, like, you don’t say on Real Catholic TV that all the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Pentecostals are damned to Hell?”
“I mean if Vatican Council II has changed Church teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation, then I guess, everything is open to change?”
“If it is prudent, expedient and politically safe for you to deny an ex cathedra dogma cannot I have reasons also to abort?”
-Lionel Andrades
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
THURSDAY, JULY 28, 2011
REAL CATHOLIC TV ADMINISTRATION IN CONFUSION OVER DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/real-catholic-tv-adminis...
WORLD YOUTH DAY : QUESTIONS
By Lionel Andrades (not verified) on Wednesday, August 3, 2011WORLD YOUTH DAY : QUESTIONS UNANSWERED BY RealCatholicTV
RealCatholicTV has produced a video on the Catholic Church being the one, true Church for salvation yet so many questions are unanswered.(Only Catholics in Heaven http://youtu.be/2Dcfj0PU_JQ ) There is so much confusion among Catholics on this subject.
1. Are all Protestants and Orthodox Catholics on the way to Hell as states the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
2. Does the Church still teach that all Hindus, Jews, Muslims and other non Christians, with no exception are on the path to Hell, unless they convert into the Church?
3. Venerable Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 referred to the ‘dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’. Through ‘the dogma’ was the pope saying all non Catholics in Boston need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell?
4. Can implicit baptism of desire be known to us 'explicitly' in particular cases, so it contradicts the dogma?
5. If only Jesus knows who is saved in invincible ignorance then how can Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
6. How can the secular media claim that Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy when he was repeating exactly what was taught by the Church Councils, popes and saints on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
7. When the secular media, Reuters for example, claims that the Catholic Church has changed its teaching, after Vatican Council II, regarding other religions, where is the text in Vatican Council II for the basis of this false claim?
8. Where in Nostra Aetate, Vatican Council II is it said that non Catholic religions are paths to salvation or that non Catholics can be saved in general in their religion?
9. Why in all the Catholic Churches in the USA do they proclaim Jesus without the Church; without the necessity of membership in the Church for salvation?
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Lionel, I would advise that
By Anonymous (not verified) on Wednesday, August 3, 2011Lionel, I would advise that you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and The Bible in order to get answers to your questions. Forget RealCatholic TV. Go to the source.
In John 3, Jesus states: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdome of God." This makes it clear that a person must be batized in order to be guaranteed heaven. GUARANTEED. God is not bound by the sacraments. He may admit to heaven whomever He wishes. So, if a person is protestant, or Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, or even an atheist, he/she can get into heaven without baptism if God chooses to admit him/her. And the only way a Catholic gets into heaven is if God admits him/her.
Suprise, surprise, not all Catholics make it into heaven either. Mortal sin can prohibit entry into heaven.
Anonymous The Church teaches
By Lionel Andrades (not verified) on Friday, August 12, 2011Anonymous
The Church teaches de fide that every one with no exception needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. If someone is saved who is a Protestant for example it would be known only to God.
Is this not what I wrote?
By Anonymous (not verified) on Friday, August 12, 2011Is this not what I wrote?
Yes, the Church teaches that baptism is necessary for salvation. However, she does not deny God the right to admit to heaven anyone He so desires. The Catholic Church does not have to recognize a person as "saved" in order for him/her to be so. Check out CCC 183, 169, 1257, and 1260, just to name a few.
God, and God alone, saves. Faith is necessary for salvation. Baptism is the outward sign of that faith, and therefore the outward sign of salvation.
But, since God, and God alone, saves, we, simple human beings, do not know for sure who has not been saved.
Why not attempt to
By Anonymous (not verified) on Wednesday, August 3, 2011find out what the Church really teaches rather than making it up as you go along or listening to Protestants on what they think the Church teaches? Wouldn't that make more sense?
Vatican II
By Anonymous (not verified) on Tuesday, June 21, 2011Didn't Jesus say, "by their fruits you will know them "or something like that. Well the Democratic party is responsible for 50 million and counting abortions as they claim they want them rare. When haven't they pushed for abortion? The Church teachings is that abortion is intrinsic evil. To think that you can be a good catholic and vote for those promoting abortion, which is the democratic party, is psychotic.
RE: Democratic party comment... and church/state issues
By The Eminem Fan (not verified) on Tuesday, June 21, 2011Does one's vote have to be based upon "the Church teachings" ???
In the United States, the following principles are the law of the land:
1- Separation of church and state
2- No official state religion
3- No religious test required of those who hold public office
4- No mention (deliberately so) of Our Lord Jesus Christ or of the Catholic Church in the Constitution
Some may be surprised that I just pointed all of this out, and asked the above question... since recently I was defending the concept of a "Catholic State."
What I'm trying to point out here is this:
Until our country becomes a Catholic country, and until the day the United States were to revise its Constitution to base its laws upon Catholic teachings, then we Catholics have no right to try to impose Church teachings upon the American population.
The majority of the population of the United States is (unfortunately) not Catholic. While we might pray and work for their conversion to the true religion, in the meantime, who are we to try to impose Catholic teachings upon them via Civil Law... particularly when most of us (me not included) already apparently accept #1, #2, #3, and # 4 as being some sort of untouchable superdogmas.
The United States has never been a Catholic country. It has always been a religion-less government, with a population that is mainly Protestant.
Why are Catholics trying to "vote Catholic" in such a situation?
That being said as food for thought... I appreciate and share the commenter's sincere concern for the unborn.
But it might be more effective to focus on demonstrating to the population scientific data about the humanity of the unborn, rather than to primarily base one's opposition to certain laws (or lack thereof) upon one's religious convictions.
Until our country becomes a
By Anonymous (not verified) on Wednesday, August 3, 2011Until our country becomes a Catholic country, and until the day the United States were to revise its Constitution to base its laws upon Catholic teachings, then we Catholics have no right to try to impose Church teachings upon the American population.
This may be true, but until the Constitution is amended to deny me the right to vote my conscience, I may vote my Catholic conscience every time and any time I go into the vote booth.
That means that if I wish to, I may use abortion as my litmus test for voting for a candidate. And I amy talk to my friends, Catholic or not, pro-life or pro-abortion, about it and encourage them to vote for my candidate if I wish. And if there were a referendum on Capital punishment on the ballot, I may use the Catechism of the Catholic Church's teaching on Capital Punishment to guide me in making the decision of how I will vote. I might even take The Bible in with me into the ballot box.
Why, because, you see, what the constitution says in the Establishment clause does not limit in any way what I do, but only what the government may do.
The government, not the individual people, must follow the guideline:
1- Separation of church and state
2- No official state religion
3- No religious test required of those who hold public office
4- No mention (deliberately so) of Our Lord Jesus Christ or of the Catholic Church in the Constitution
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