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Submitted by JC (not verified) on

Agreed, the Lord does not like heretical nuns. Yet, what you see as heretical and what the Lord sees as heretical may be very, very different.

Submitted by Fr. Tim (not verified) on

The ordination of women to the priesthood is heretical. Read your Bible carefully, and you'll see that the Lord has made it clear that men are called to this service. Sorry, but that's the truth.

Submitted by John David (not verified) on

Actually, I have read the Bible carefully and I don't see the situation the same way as you do. What is clear is that good, open, prayerful people will see things differently. This is a challange for all of us, not just those of us who are part of the mystical body of Christ. Peace and prayers for your journey, Fr. Tim

Submitted by Fr. Bob (not verified) on

Time for some Vaitcan ass-kicking. The religious sisters are losing members at a rapid pace, it's time that order is returned so things can heal.

Submitted by polly (not verified) on

You obviously haven't heard of Blessed Mary MacKillop

Submitted by Alan Y (not verified) on

The institutional Church has always treated women as second-class citizens -- at best -- and often even as threats. All throughout Christian history, when the Spirit raised up apostolic religious women, they lasted about a generation before the hierarchy shut them back up in cloisters. This "investigation" is just the 21st-century analogy of that tendency. But who investigates the hierarchy? When we see that happening, then I'll have some hope that we've become the Church Jesus intended. When we ALL can ask, like Jesus did, "What do you want me to do for you?" and can enter into conversation with each other, then we'll begin to see the Kingdom of God. Up until now we've taken our cue from the values of society: if the people we disagree with are our equals, we ignore them; if they are weaker, then we oppress them. Precisely what Jesus condemned the religious leaders of his time for doing. How long, oh Lord?

Submitted by Fr. Tim (not verified) on

"When we see that happening, then I'll have some hope that we've become the Church Jesus intended"

And you have the monopoly on the truth don't you? I'd rather trust the opinion of the Holy Catholic Church which Christ instituted than Alan Y.

"Up until now we've taken our cue from the values of society"

And our particular society (the United States) says that men and women can do the same work. That's hypocritical on your part. The Church is not the U.S., when will the progressives realize this? Susan B. Anthony is not a saint, I'm sorry to inform you of this.

"if the people we disagree with are our equals, we ignore them; if they are weaker, then we oppress them. Precisely what Jesus condemned the religious leaders of his time for doing."

Re-read the Bible, especially the Epistles about the role of men and women. You have a fault understanding of the Lord's word.

"How long, oh Lord?"

If you're referring to women not being ordained priests, forever.

Submitted by Joan Krebs, Gle... (not verified) on

After reading about 15 pages of postings I was left with the following impressions:
1. Fr Z's disciples are overwhelmingly male who operate from the same "talking points."
2. A 16th c. ecumenical council (Trent) can't be disputed but a 20th c. ecumenical council can & must be repudiated.
3. Religious women in traditional/conservative have "average ages younger than the youngest sister in liberal convents." If this is true, could it be because women don't stay there long enough to grow old? It's true in @ least one L.I.community as reported by its superior in a local paper.
4.The Baltimore Catechism is preferred rather than its more recent replacement by the Catholic Catechism. The woman who quoted Q's & A's about mortal sin from her child's catechism probably would not have received the same slant from the more recent catechism.
5. A pervasive, sad,pitiable impression came throughout: not arguing from ridicule although this is distasteful & crude but can be ignored. I speak of the overwhelming amount of ignorance masquerading as knowledge which then pontificates as if this could make things truth. The writer(s)is/are serious. Pervasive, sad, pitiable.

Submitted by Dan Buckley (not verified) on

There is a major distinction between Trent and Vatican II that cannot be ignored: the former was a doctrinal council, the latter a pastoral one. The force of doctrine certainly supersedes the pastoral, but, sadly, many would yield on doctrinal matters for "pastoral" reasons, as is frequently seen in proclaiming that there is no salvation outside the Church. Pope Pius V was held to have exceeded his authority when he decreed (in QUO PRIMUM)that the "traditional" form for the Mass could not be changed. Perhaps a council called for pastoral purposes might also exceed its authority should it draft "dogmatic" documents.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on

Truth in advertising

Most of the women religious in the US do not wear religious garb, do not live in community, and largely ignore church cheating. The dress like lay folks and work like lay folks. They misrepresent themselves as "religious" to continue getting donations. They should not be call religious but more of a lay group. Some of the groups should not even be called catholic.

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